What is "social mood"?

[TS Hennessy]

(08-09-2010 09:35 AM)ruby Wrote:  So, do you think that counting the letters of a verbal exchange in which you participate will tell you anything about where you are and where you want to be next? I doubt you do, but it may turn out to be an interesting approach – who knows? ;-)

You want to know what’s at the core? – You know what’s at the core. An IQ that makes you pray for a stroke every night is hardly a blessing. It’s a social impairment. You may muddle through, but you rarely truly enjoy. And yes, comfortable or uncomfortable, we’re still talking, right?

And that’s just one aspect of the big picture.

I know what is at the core of all things, yes. But I am speaking only
about this one thing now.

All of what we have read (the science as it stands today) suggests that
the waves are the footprints of humans acting in crowd mentality.

The title of your thread depicts this understanding.

Well my, my, how efficient we are while stampeding for the exits. That
is all I am going to say about it. The question cannot be answered so
there really is no sense in doing anything but simply asking it.

That does not really place it in the category of being rhetorical. It is just
another that is out of reach - perhaps best left alone. What if we knew?

[ruby]

Tom, I usually reread what I write, imagining that I’m the recipient. Sometimes I still fail at getting my point across. Which is: I really enjoy your company. You’re the first person in a long time who doesn’t bore me. I hope I don’t bore you.

Maybe you’ll find some of the answers in Freud’s “Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego” and in his “Future of an Illusion”. An Elliott contemporary. And a great writer.

P.S.: Had to look up the English title – the stampede for the exit is plausibly explained in Freud’s “Beyond the Pleasure Principle”, an essay that he wrote in 1920, in which he introduces the concept of a “Thanatos”.

[TS Hennessy]

(08-09-2010 05:57 PM)ruby Wrote:  Tom, I usually reread what I write, imagining that I’m the recipient. Sometimes I still fail at getting my point across. Which is: I really enjoy your company. You’re the first person in a long time who doesn’t bore me. I hope I don’t bore you.

Maybe you’ll find some of the answers in Freud’s “Group Psychology and the Analysis of the Ego” and in his “Future of an Illusion”. An Elliott contemporary. And a great writer.

P.S.: Had to look up the English title – the stampede for the exit is plausibly explained in Freud’s “Beyond the Pleasure Principle”, an essay that he wrote in 1920, in which he introduces the concept of a “Thanatos”.

So you can't explain it either. OK. That's perfectly fine, ruby.

I didn't expect it to be answered. But you knew that.

[ruby]

“All of what we have read (the science as it stands today) suggests that
the waves are the footprints of humans acting in crowd mentality.”
Didn’t the title that I chose for this thread question that clearly enough? Not saying that young men are not humans …

P.S.: I would feel offended, if you thought that I could ever recommend you literature for any other reason than to share something that I liked. I may have my blind spots and self-destructive moments, but I am not warped enough to abuse people who spend their Sunday morning on my cat’s diabetes.

P.P.S.: Have a little patience with me – it’s not like I’ve been pondering over your question for years. But sure: If you really want to find an answer, I’ll do my best to help. Always keep a flexible mind, right?

[ruby]

Oh well, this trial six-pack of German beer is empty. If you don’t want to move your yellow butt further than to the store around the corner where they sell that Bud or – if you’re lucky – that Anchor Steam, that’s your choice.

Thy will be done, it always is. And if it isn’t, it cannot have been thy will – what an absurd logic.

Interesting that this is the 35th post though. Congratulations!

[TS Hennessy]

(08-10-2010 07:28 AM)ruby Wrote:  “All of what we have read (the science as it stands today) suggests that
the waves are the footprints of humans acting in crowd mentality.”
Didn’t the title that I chose for this thread question that clearly enough? Not saying that young men are not humans …

P.S.: I would feel offended, if you thought that I could ever recommend you literature for any other reason than to share something that I liked. I may have my blind spots and self-destructive moments, but I am not warped enough to abuse people who spend their Sunday morning on my cat’s diabetes.

P.P.S.: Have a little patience with me – it’s not like I’ve been pondering over your question for years. But sure: If you really want to find an answer, I’ll do my best to help. Always keep a flexible mind, right?

(08-11-2010 09:43 AM)ruby Wrote:  Oh well, this trial six-pack of German beer is empty. If you don’t want to move your yellow butt further than to the store around the corner where they sell that Bud or – if you’re lucky – that Anchor Steam, that’s your choice.

Thy will be done, it always is. And if it isn’t, it cannot have been thy will – what an absurd logic.

Interesting that this is the 35th post though. Congratulations!

No I would not think to assign a motive to your sharing of a reference
or favorite other than to bring clarity or perspective or simply share.

Too few hours yesterday, sorry.

It would be a completely understandable and almost obligatory conclusion
when interpreting what has been tossed around in a fairly well represented
distillation as you have written here:

Thy will be done, it always is. And if it isn’t, it cannot have been thy will – what an absurd logic.

Together with your application of my statement on top of the famous
words of prayer and the most common logic Q & A that follow ( if not,
then ), you compose the prime challenge which logic might ask.

It is surely the fault of those who've gone before but your compilation
is a non sequitor. These things must have a basis or are pointless but
the basis needs to be correctly represented or it follows to be a fair
round of jerking motion.

A basis for this "Will" issue popularly ignores reality and that is why I
place the blame elsewhere and understand when wrong conclusions get
into the backwaters and eventually make it out to sea.

Popular ignorance of any subject makes life more interesting but does
not always lead to correct conclusions to be built on their foundation.

If anyone were to tangle with your statement good luck to them if they
failed to have known where the One with the capital letter on His Will
stood on the issue. I think their answer might be somewhat comical
but actually all too sad. Imagine the inner confusion which would exist
where these as basis were not understood:

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Yes I think that those unspeakable sentences certainly throw a different
slant than you would hear from most who 'know' His Will in many places.

Of course it would still become a matter of one's own faith whether to
put credence in even those references, but once this is the case those
are certainly not ones to leave out of the foundation.

They are not easily reconciled with many underlying monetary programs
and are not for the faint of heart so they don't get quoted so often.

Just as in EW if you don't start right you certainly will not, without luck
on your side, end up right.

Some of us have a different word for luck of course.

[ruby]

Tom, this will take me a couple of hours. But one thing in advance: It wasn’t the time you took that made me wonder – it was that you removed the ad. Why punish those children? If I insulted you, why not simply tell me? Logical interpretation: I must AGAIN have said something bipolar without realizing it. The only thing I could think of were my reading recommendations. You know, my neighbor is a lumberjack, and even though he’s really funny and certainly not stupid AND he knows a lot more about plants than I do, he would take any reading recommendation as an echo of what he tells himself every day.

O.k., some more within your previous post:

If anyone were to tangle with your statement good luck to them if they
failed to have known where the One with the capital letter on His Will
stood on the issue.

That concept of “knowledge” is hubristic. If that is what you call a personal interpretation, then it wasn’t that wrong for me to take your “it always is” as an “I always get what I want”. I know that I used the word “know” in a similar manner a few posts ago – but needless to say that it is impossible for me to really know whether H.S. likes G.B. I just used the word to describe my premise: As long as there’s no evidence pointing elsewhere.

I think their answer might be somewhat comical
but actually all too sad. Imagine the inner confusion which would exist
where these as basis were not understood:

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Yes I think that those unspeakable sentences certainly throw a different
slant than you would hear from most who 'know' His Will in many places.

This is a manic-depressive attitude, ignoring the mortal sins (it’s all or nothing – you can’t cut out whatever is convenient). I doubt they have problems with things like bulimia or anorexia in Africa. And on top of that, I’m not sure, if that part was translated right: It lacks the element of time.

Of course it would still become a matter of one's own faith whether to
put credence in even those references, but once this is the case those
are certainly not ones to leave out of the foundation.

Do YOU?

They are not easily reconciled with many underlying monetary programs
and are not for the faint of heart so they don't get quoted so often.

See above.

Just as in EW if you don't start right you certainly will not, without luck
on your side, end up right.

So you do have a concept of “right” as opposed to “wrong”. Some people would even argue that those are just linguistic concepts. For example: Getting an EW count wrong and losing all your money could still benefit you and thus be “right” for you.

Some of us have a different word for luck of course.

Do YOU?

I end this post with a quote from my bible, which is William Zinsser’s On Writing Well: “Don’t hedge your prose with little timidities. Good writing is lean and confident.”

P.S.: Don’t think that I still believe this to be public. I knew all along what your google research would be about. So the ad wasn’t either? Marvellous.

[TS Hennessy]

(08-12-2010 10:48 AM)ruby Wrote:  Tom, this will take me a couple of hours. But one thing in advance: It wasn’t the time you took that made me wonder – it was that you removed the ad. Why punish those children? If I insulted you, why not simply tell me? Logical interpretation: I must AGAIN have said something bipolar without realizing it. The only thing I could think of were my reading recommendations. You know, my neighbor is a lumberjack, and even though he’s really funny and certainly not stupid AND he knows a lot more about plants than I do, he would take any reading recommendation as an echo of what he tells himself every day.

O.k., some more within your previous post:

If anyone were to tangle with your statement good luck to them if they
failed to have known where the One with the capital letter on His Will
stood on the issue.

That concept of “knowledge” is hubristic. If that is what you call a personal interpretation, then it wasn’t that wrong for me to take your “it always is” as an “I always get what I want”. I know that I used the word “know” in a similar manner a few posts ago – but needless to say that it is impossible for me to really know whether H.S. likes G.B. I just used the word to describe my premise: As long as there’s no evidence pointing elsewhere.

I think their answer might be somewhat comical
but actually all too sad. Imagine the inner confusion which would exist
where these as basis were not understood:

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Yes I think that those unspeakable sentences certainly throw a different
slant than you would hear from most who 'know' His Will in many places.

This is a manic-depressive attitude, ignoring the mortal sins (it’s all or nothing – you can’t cut out whatever is convenient). I doubt they have problems with things like bulimia or anorexia in Africa. And on top of that, I’m not sure, if that part was translated right: It lacks the element of time.

Of course it would still become a matter of one's own faith whether to
put credence in even those references, but once this is the case those
are certainly not ones to leave out of the foundation.

Do YOU?

They are not easily reconciled with many underlying monetary programs
and are not for the faint of heart so they don't get quoted so often.

See above.

Just as in EW if you don't start right you certainly will not, without luck
on your side, end up right.

So you do have a concept of “right” as opposed to “wrong”. Some people would even argue that those are just linguistic concepts. For example: Getting an EW count wrong and losing all your money could still benefit you and thus be “right” for you.

Some of us have a different word for luck of course.

Do YOU?

I end this post with a quote from my bible, which is William Zinsser’s On Writing Well: “Don’t hedge your prose with little timidities. Good writing is lean and confident.”

P.S.: Don’t think that I still believe this to be public. I knew all along what your google research would be about. So the ad wasn’t either? Marvellous.

Ruby, perhaps you read a bit too much into the Compassion ad dropping
off the page. That widget has been on my STAR Trading System download
page for a couple years. Was really just thankful for your Blood Count
post for reminding me to get that put up. But as an odd coincidence
those widgets stopped working a few days after it went live here - on
both sites.

The banner ad I have for them on the system's sales page is still fine
and the code for the widget is old so I went to their server page for
those resources and got a new one for here. That new one was a different
kind of code but it still did not work. So I phoned them and let them
know about the problem. Seems that they are doing some upgrades and
it may be fixed in a few days. When it is the ad will be back. I just did
not like it spinning wheels on the site as though it never finishes loading.

The whole premise of your take on Christianity is a non sequitor since
you are not aware that there are no mortal sins which might be an all
or nothing type of offense. Not that Christianity has given you a good
and faithful representation of the gospel - the one currently in effect,
not the story of Christ's life which they label 'Gospel' (they are about a
lawkeeper keeping the law with the exception of a few chapters where
the discourse previews a new dispensation soon about to change,
ending the law ).

You may not have heard it by the mouth of the puritanistic but the Law
was nailed to the cross and taken out of the way, removing the obstacle.

The law of the spirit, of life in Christ, has made me free from the law of sin and death.

One more thing if we will continue any more discussion, please. If I say I
was offended by some reference then I was offended and if I say I was not
or skip over it and move on to what I wanted to discuss, please do not
imply a motive for me - and I will respect you likewise. May we agree on that?

I did look up the latin you posted but I did not read anything else that
you put up. I could not be offended by someone's opinion because the
fact is that it does not matter what you, I or another philosopher think
about God. Just about everybody gets it wrong I think, don't you agree?

The only thing that matters is the new creature. If any man be in Christ
he is a new creature. That's all that matters.

If someone is trying to live the law, I ask why? Maybe they haven't heard...
Whoever is born of God does not commit sin for His seed remains in him
and he cannot sin because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9

If that single verse cannot be reconciled with whatever dogma has been
told then throw away the discrepant dogma because it is law not grace.

That is my word for luck... Grace, and wherever the two are mixed in the
slightest the truth will become dimmer, but not change.

This mixture of law and grace is what comes from not knowing that the
bible has things that are for you as well as things that are TO you, or at
least not keeping them straight and applied correctly.

As I said, this whole thing where one assumes that I or another believes
what one thinks is believed and calls it ludicrous is just that, an
assumption, nothing more, and the blame for that lies elsewhere, in past
assumptions.

[ruby]

Thank you – what a relief. I knew that those “mortal sins” would make you laugh. That’s why I decided not to edit my post.

Just about everyone gets it wrong? – I don’t know. That’s why I’m an agnostic, not an atheist. I just enjoy seeing a clear mind at work, expressing itself in clear writing, leaving room for further thinking, but never for interpretation and wild speculation. If I had been the editor in charge, the bible would never have made it to the printing press. At least none of the translations.

Delighted to read that putting up that ad wasn’t a sacrifice for you – as a Mel Gibson movie would be for me. ;-)

Past assumptions? Yes, as I said, a stroke every now and then couldn’t hurt. Makes me think of that joke:
Doctor: I really can’t find the cause of your pain. It might be due to alcohol.
Patient: That’s o.k. I’ll return when you’re sober.

An “all or nothing offense”? I take “all”.

[TS Hennessy]

(08-13-2010 07:57 AM)ruby Wrote:  Thank you – what a relief. I knew that those “mortal sins” would make you laugh. That’s why I decided not to edit my post.

Just about everyone gets it wrong? – I don’t know. That’s why I’m an agnostic, not an atheist. I just enjoy seeing a clear mind at work, expressing itself in clear writing, leaving room for further thinking, but never for interpretation and wild speculation. If I had been the editor in charge, the bible would never have made it to the printing press. At least none of the translations.

Delighted to read that putting up that ad wasn’t a sacrifice for you – as a Mel Gibson movie would be for me. ;-)

Past assumptions? Yes, as I said, a stroke every now and then couldn’t hurt. Makes me think of that joke:
Doctor: I really can’t find the cause of your pain. It might be due to alcohol.
Patient: That’s o.k. I’ll return when you’re sober.

An “all or nothing offense”? I take “all”.

Ok then. That was a nice volley.